Quite an impressive array of scholars. Like previous editions of the NAB, it features an ecumenical team. It may be of interest to some find out that both Protestant and Jewish scholars are represented on the list. (Perhaps Eastern Orthodox scholars are also represented on the list -- I recognized most but not all of the names.)
How can you all continue to pretend that having Christ-Rejecting Jews and Church-Rejecting Heretics translate and annotate your bibles is even remotely Catholic? As the Catechism of the Council of Trent says : "Heretics, Jews, and infidels...are continually employed in darkening the true faith by falsehood, and they are busy subverting all Christian piety...Of all calumnies, the worst is directed against Catholic doctrine."- LC
I might also say that there could be problems with only "Catholic" Bible scholars as part of a translation team. All you have to do is go around to some of the "well known" Catholic Universities and you'll find your share of individuals who couldn't translate their way out of a box and remain faithful to Catholic teaching.On the other hand, if a Jewish or Protestant scholar is part of the translation team and what they do is faithful to the teachings of the Church, then we should be thankful.The issue comes with who is in charge of seeing that the notes and translations are indeed faithful and that is where many of the problems occur.
Ecumenical Bible translation is clearly authorized by Dei Verbum paragraph 22.I recognize more than half of the names on this list, and I have to say that they include scholars (both Catholic and non-Catholic) of high integrity whose scholarship is of the first rank.
Dei Verbum 22:Easy access to Sacred Scripture should be provided for all the Christian faithful. That is why the Church from the very beginning accepted as her own that very ancient Greek translation; of the Old Testament which is called the septuagint; and she has always given a place of honor to other Eastern translations and Latin ones especially the Latin translation known as the vulgate. But since the word of God should be accessible at all times, the Church by her authority and with maternal concern sees to it that suitable and correct translations are made into different languages, especially from the original texts of the sacred books. And should the opportunity arise and the Church authorities approve, if these translations are produced in cooperation with the separated brethren as well, all Christians will be able to use them.
You barely beat me in posting DV 22 Theophrastus!
Little Rock Scripture Study has more sample pages of their study bible up on their Facebook page. Sharon in Waxahachie!
Dei Verbum is a monstrous standing insult to the English Martyrs. Dei Verbum will be flushed down the Heterodox Toilet one-hundred years hence. Dei Verbum blows out souls like rows of candles. LC
LC,Well at least we know where you stand.
No Timothy.I don't think you know where I stand but I think you think you know where I stand. I think you think you're right otherwise you wouldn't think the way you do. I think you think that if some ecumenical council declared black was white and two plus two equals five you'd agree. I don't think, but know with certainty that no True Saint, Doctor, Pope, or Council would ever condone Catholic's cooperating with Jews and Heretics to produce a bible translation to be used not only for private devotional reading but for the Liturgy. -LC
LC,I am not going to get into a debate with you on your views. If you are going to reject the Second Vatican Council that's your decision. This blog exists under the belief that the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church (LG 8), which was established by Christ. This same Church, on the foundation of the Apostles and their successors the bishops, exists in the Church that called the Second Vatican Council. If that makes me a heretic, than so be it. It then should be of no concern to you that I read a Bible that was translated with the help of 'heretics and Jews'.
LC should perhaps listen to the CBB theme song again...
And I am proud of the fact that there are many women among the list of "heretics and Jews" this time around. I am looking forward to my copy of the Little Rock Scripture Study Bible but will have to wait until summer.Sharon in Waxahachie
Perhaps we sometimes forget that the Old Testament is a collection of Jewish scriptures and that Jesus himself and all his Apostles were Jews. That should give us a little more perspective!
It is a concern of mine Timothy because your bible has the word Catholic on it and it is by no means Catholic. I would suggest that you remove the word Catholic and put "The Neo-Modernist Bible translated by Jews, Heretics, and Infidels from "Very Important Textual Witnesses" with the Imprimatur of Masonic Pseudo-Bishops" - LC
Rolf, The Jewish Babylonian Talmud teaches that our Lord Jesus Christ was an Egyptian sorcerer, seducer, idolater, fool, and liar, illegitimately conceived by a Roman soldier who fornicated with a hair-dressing whore menstruating at the time of conception. In fact, the Rabbinic authors gloat about their responsibility for the execution of our Lord (never even mentioning the Romans) and then claiming that our Lord is now currently boiling in hell in hot filthy excrement. Christ’s flock are then called Idolaters, Fornicators, Murderers, Heretics, Edomites, Amalek, Children of the Devil, & compared to Dung, who differ only in form from Animals, who propagate like beasts, who are less than beasts, whose souls are evil and unclean, and destined for Hell.
(This is all corroborated by the brilliant and indomitable Rev. I.B. Pranaitis, Master of Theology and Professor of the Hebrew Language at the Imperial Ecclesiastical Academy of the Roman Catholic Church in old St. Petersburg classic imprimatured treatise of Catholic scholarship on the Babylonian Talmud - Christianus in Talmude Iudaeorum : sive Rabbinicae doctrinae de Christianis secreta (St. Petersburg, Russia, 1892) translated “Christianity in the Judaic Talmud : The Secret Rabbinic Doctrine Concerning Christians” )
Father Pranaitis writes "since the word Jeschua means “Savior,” the name Jesus rarely occurs in Judaic books. It is almost always abbreviated to Jeschu, which is maliciously taken as if it were composed of the initial letters of the three words Immach SCHemo Vezikro - “May his name and memory be blotted out.” - LC
Charlie Sheen, you truly are everywhere!
Writing on the Talmud in his book is L’Histoire et Les Histoires dans la Bible (1921), Bishop Landrieux of Dijon makes the following acute summary :" It is a systematic deformation of the Bible ... The pride of race with the idea of universal domination is therein exalted to the height of folly ... For the Talmudist, the Jewish race alone constitutes humanity, the non-Jews are not human beings. They are of a purely animal nature. They have no rights. The moral laws which regulate the mutual relations of men, the Ten Commandments, are not of obligation in their regard. They oblige exclusively among Jews. With regard to the Goyim (non-Jews) everything is allowed : robbery, fraud, perjury, murder. When the Talmud became known, especially in the sixteenth century, thanks to the invention of printing, such indignation was aroused throughout the Catholic world that a General Jewish Assembly in 1631 gave orders that the most obnoxious passages should not be printed, but added that, ‘a little circle, O, should be put in place of the suppressed passages. This will warn the rabbis and the school-teachers that they are to teach these passages orally so that the learned among the Nazarenes (Christians) may no longer have any pretext for attacking us in this regard.’ In our day, the Talmud does not provoke either astonishment or anger among Catholics, because it is no longer known."- LC
The Jewish Babylonian Talmud has nothing to do with this discussion. It was compiled many hundreds of years, circa AD 500, after the New Testament was written. Your anti-Jewish comments are unnecessary for this discussion.
Of course no of those translators are from the "Eastern" half of the Church. All Westerners!.
These are not Anti-Jewish comments but statements about the Anti-Christian nature of Judaism and it's adherents. Theophrastus opened the discussion by stating that Jewish "scholars" were involved with the production of the NABRE. The NABRE should have a warning label on it that states " Warning, this bible was produced in cooperation with Anti-Christ Jews whose highest Holy Book the Babylonian Talmud teaches :1. Christians are Renegades to be killed2. Christians are Apostates3. Christian Princes especially the Prince of Rome (the Pope) to be exterminated4. All Christians to be killed5. Killing a Christian is an acceptable sacrifice to God6. Heaven promised to those who kill Christians7. A Christian may be beheaded on the most solemn festivals8. The Messiah expected will be revengeful9. Jewish prayers against Christians(This is the Table of Contents from an Imprimatured Book whose Author was a Holy Priest later butchered by the Judeo-Bolshevists)
Anon,Feel free to comment anonymously, but please add a name/nickname at the end of future comments so others may address your points more specifically.
It sure is strange! The supreme holy book in Judaism teaches beyond any shade of doubt that "Even the Best of the Goyim deserve to be killed", and when you tell this to a Christian he calls you Anti Jewish or an Anti Semite or some such Newspeak.LC
I don't understand how this discussion devolved into a virulent anti-Semitic rant, but let me address one comment:It is a concern of mine Timothy because your bible has the word Catholic on it and it is by no means Catholic.In fact, the phrase New American Bible, Revised Edition does not contain the word "Catholic." Moreover, I don't think it is the intention of the Confraternity or the translators that it be "for Catholics only." It is rather presented as a gift for all to study.Let me contrast this, for example, with the CCC. It is clear that the primary audience for the CCC is Catholic. A non-Catholic reading the CCC is like an American reading the Canadian constitution. In contrast, I don't think there is any such intention for the NABRE. Rather it is meant for a broad audience: "all Christians will be able to use them."As a practical matter, I'm not aware that one needs to present a baptismal certificate to purchase a copy.
I'm not defending "LC", but something I noticed about you, Tim, and your regular commentors that is a little troubling. When a comment strays a little too far to the left, nothing is made of it. But when a comment strays too far to the right, the intolerence becomes evident. The jokes about Charlie Sheen and Mel Gibson start. The disrespect in the replies show through. Perhaps you need to look into a mirror to see why you have such intolerence for the right, but not for the left.
Has anyone here read Ben Douglas' study "Wolf in Calfskin: The Rampant Liberalism of the New American Bible." No matter if the translators worked with Jews and Protestants, for as Ben Douglas shows, the NAB "in many places, daringly redacts, rearranges, or otherwise mistranslates the sacred text, and it does so in the service of the modernist critical hermeneutic which is revealed in its “perverse” introductions and commentary... These comments repeatedly contradict or call into question the Catholic dogma of the plenary inspiration and inerrancy of Sacred Scripture, as well as raising grave doubts about the Catholic dogmas of Christology and Mariology...This Bible is a danger to the faith of Catholics."
If these charges are untrue I think that those who are promoting the NABRE should at least furnish a refutation. If a refutation cannot be made why would anyone in their right mind approve this book?
Jim, that statement is rather unfair. LC made the statement that a central teaching of Judaism is that "all Christians are to killed." That's not within the normal range of left-right opinions -- it's extreme intolerance.There are a number of regular conservative commenters on this blog, such as Matt.
Are you calling the Rev. I.B. Pranaitis intolerant, Theophrastus? This book has the Imprimatur of the Church. The following is exactly as it is recorded in his work : IV. LASTLY, ALL CHRISTIANS, INCLUDING THE BEST OF THEM, ARE TO BE KILLEDIn Abhodah Zarah (26b, Tosephoth) it says:"Even the best of the Goim should be killed"The Schulchan Arukh, after the words of Iore Dea (158, 1) that those of the Akum who do no harm to Jews are not to be killed, namely those who do not wage war against Israel, thus explains the word Milchamah—war:"But in time of war the Akum are to be killed, for it is written: 'The good among the Akum deserve to be killed, etc.' "V. A JEW WHO KILLS A CHRISTIAN COMMITS NO SIN, BUT OFFERS AN ACCEPTABLE SACRIFICE TO GODIn Sepher Or Israel (177b) it says:"Take the life of the Kliphoth and kill them, and you will please God the same as one who offers incense to Him."And in Ialkut Simoni (245c. n. 772) it says:"Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God."VI. AFTER THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE AT JERUSALEM, THE ONLY SACRIFICE NECESSARY IS THE EXTERMINATION OF CHRISTIANSIn Zohar (III,227b) the Good Pastor says:"The only sacrifice required is that we remove the unclean from amongst us."Zohar (II, 43a), explaining the precept of Moses about the redemption of the first born of an ass by offering a lamb, says:"The ass means the non-Jew, who is to be redeemed by the offering of a lamb, which is the dispersed sheep of Israel. But if he refuses to be redeemed, then break his skull....They should be taken out of the book of the living, for it is said about them: He who sins against me, I shall take out of the book of life."VII. THOSE WHO KILL CHRISTIANS SHALL HAVE A HIGH PLACE IN HEAVENIn Zohar (I,38b, and 39a) it says:"In the palaces of the fourth heaven are those who lamented over Sion and Jerusalem, and all those who destroyed idolatrous nations ... and those who killed off people who worship idols are clothed in purple garments so that they may be recognized and honored."VIII. JEWS MUST NEVER CEASE TO EXTERMINATE THE GOIM; THEY MUST NEVER LEAVE THEM IN PEACE AND NEVER SUBMIT TO THEMIn Hilkhoth Akum (X, 1) it says:"Do not eat with idolaters, nor permit them to worship their idols; for it is written: Make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them (Deuter. ch. 7, 2). Either turn away from their idols or kill them."Ibidem (X,7):"In places where Jews are strong, no idolater must be allowed to remain..."- LC
Jim,I will take your criticism on the Gibson and Sheen comments, but if you were to go back and look at the many posts on this blog I would contend that I play it pretty fair. The very fact that I have kept some of LC's posts up, even after having to delete some, even recently, which were directed at the Holy Father and quite insulting, should speak for itself. I clearly don't agree with hardly anything he has written, but for the most part I have left them up.
With that, I am closing comments on this topic.
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